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Re: disaster fire suppression
09/08/07 at 19:55:28
 
At our refreshers, we have practiced using fire hoses (see http://www.cert-la.com/events/061022/061022.htm) and put out a dumpster fire (see http://www.cert-la.com/events/010407/P0000226.jpg).
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Reply #1 - 09/10/07 at 03:43:27
 
Cool!
Forcing trainees to fight a controlled fire they can't easily put out is good training and not easy to replicate. We tried it at the old USF fire school and a backdraft blew a hole through the cinderblock smokehouse.
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Reply #2 - 09/10/07 at 23:42:59
 
Mycrofft,
I don't know you well enough to know if you are serious or sarcastic in your comment about "Cool! Forcing trainees to fight a controlled fire..." but, I want to assure all readers here that in Los Angeles (and in fact in most CERT programs I know of), CERT programs NEVER "force" any CERT member to fight fire (controlled or not).  We do our best to provide a foundation for basic fire safety and proper use of the ABC type dry-chemical extinguisher.
 
In our program (Los Angeles Fire Department), at our refreshers, in addition to fire extinguisher review, we do allow our CERT members to have basic training in small (1" and 1 1/2") firefighting hose line use including proper techniques for advancing hose lines and making and breaking couplings to advance lines. We also allow our CERT graduates to get the feel of a charged active working hose line on either small fires or fire target props.  
 
There is some compelling video of volunteers assisting San Francisco Fire Department during the Loma Prieta earthquake in pulling and advancing hose lines.
 
I am sorry you had a backdraft during your excercise and hope no one was hurt.
 
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and being part of this valuable site.
 
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Reply #3 - 09/11/07 at 16:30:04
 
Cap2k7, I was being more flippant than sarcastic. I just hate using emoticons. I appreciate your making sure  of my motive, and it's good to see someone putting more material in the forum! I tend to be a little flippant (or very pedantic); if it gets inappropriate to the tone of the forum, let me know and I'll tone it down.
 
Teaching CERTS to use hose is great, not only as a "use the hose" lesson, but as a teamwork lesson. (Also, a lesson not to point the hose at your feet and open a straight stream...). Yes, our local (Central California) TV news was full of pictures from San Francisco in '89  full of people in civilian clothes assisting or trying to assist firefighters move and protect charged deuce and a half lines in the Mission district, better we were (re)trained than totally green.
 
 I didn't mean "force" as in "coerce" but as in "making it inevitable". And certainly not in the first go-round, that would give them a defeatist attitude.  
 
The backdraft was actually comical for the students since we were not in danger. We were outside the smokehouse, a couple of smokey fires made with wooden pallets had occurred; to make them re-kindle despite our watering them down, the instructors put JP4 on them. A couple minutes later we were lined up outside and a group ready to go in, the lead instructor tossed in a mop handle torch..there was a "BANG" and a new round three foot wondow appeard when a chunk of cinderblock just fell out onto the ground. They got a new smokehouse, after three months.
 
This site can be a national forum, we all need to try to pump it up more.
 
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